The live & obscure Pink Floyd

updated January 2, 2011


When viewing/using these pages, please note the following:
Official release titles are in italics, such as The Piper At The Gates Of Dawn
Bootleg or RoIO titles are underlined, such as The Live Pink Floyd
Song titles are in double quotes, such as “Shine On You Crazy Diamond”
Hyperlinks are double-underlined, except for the external links to other websites.

Also, I'M NOW ACCEPTING TRADES!!!
Please see the form on the Homepage.


CLICK BELOW TO ENTER
»»»  The Pink Floyd Trading List Homepage  «««


Creating this website has been a lesson in how NOT to do it.  DON'T use Microsoft Word to build the tables.  I have been going through the HTML code by hand and basically re-writing it all.  Most files have been reduced by 50% - 75%. While the code syntax that Microsoft automatically generated was correct, technically the concepts were applied wrong.
Every element on the page was individually tagged with CSS/HTML code, instead of defining it globally at the beginning.
Every cell in every table had every feature spelled out in long-hand code individually, even though they were all the same!
Every individual bit of text was defined in color and size.




THIS SITE’S PURPOSE:

This is NOT:

A list or catalog of the totality of titles and/or shows that are out there.  Many titles and shows are missing from these lists.

What this IS:

A reference of shows and rare songs to CD titles.  A large portion of the shows & titles, as well as all of the rare songs (I think), are listed.

This originally started as a simple text document to help me keep track of my growing collection, i.e. what titles I owned and if they are the original releases on Silver CD  (I am specifically collecting the ‘silvers’ but I’ll take a CDR if it’s all that’s available).  I have been collecting Floyd Boots since the mid 1980s.  Many many LPs have the same old songs and shows released on different LP Titles, sometimes with the LPs themselves identical, so at first I thought the CDs would be the same.  As my collection grew, I realized there were better quality copies of some shows, while other shows had the same ‘tape source’ used for multiple CD Titles.   Oh, the mushrooming confusion.  Finally someone turned me on to the Pink Floyd RoIO Archives page.  That helped a lot!  But alas:  its list has been neglected in the past few years.  And it can be difficult to assess what CDs have what songs for what shows at what quality, going back and forth between different pages.  I found many shows had a song here on this CD and another on that CD and the rest on a third, for example.  Occasionally, a CD Title will have a better copy of one song from a show as filler for another.  Not so listenable.  And then there are the ‘lost and found’ studio & broadcast tracks.  Now that’s a complete mess.  A hornet’s nest of greatly varying quality and mislabeled track titles, all spread across well over 50 CD & LP Titles (truly closer to 70), yielding easily 100 disks full of songs to sort through.  I really didn’t feel like making a copy of it all for myself to travel with, let alone between 5 and 10 copies of each of those 100 disks for friends.  Oh yea, the friends....
Along came friends and time for copies.  Oh, the overhead involved.  My intention was to organize the collection, reunite diverged shows, avoid multiple copies of shows and songs, and provide the best possible quality to pass on to the next generation.  Plus they asked for setlists; that started with printouts of the CD art.  If you’ve messed with that before, you know why I quit.

Envious of the RoIO Archives’ hyperlinks, I decided to try creating my own database.  But while they seem to run off a true database, my pages are hand-written in HTML.  Well, not exactly.  Hand-formatted.  Written with Microsoft Word, then touched up with FrontPage, this format allows me to customize any little part with notes for clarity.  Plus I don’t have to learn how to manage an online database and learn yet another computer language (besides the HTML I was learning for this project) given my tight schedule. (I was skipping school teaching myself Machine-Language and writing Operating-System upgrades for my computer when I was in high-school - learning much much much much more about the true fundamentals and higher functions of math, let alone the ‘logical’ thinking needed for programming and the necessary underling hardware structure of a computer needed to write in M.L., not to mention the actual programming languages themselves (BASIC, 6809ML, Pascal, FORTRAN); meanwhile when I did show up at school, they taught me the same old rote-memorization-math (no true understanding), and had me print my name on the screen in computer class.  While the class struggled to just center their name, mine centered, bounced around, and re-centered.  So “I Don’t Need No Education” rang particularly true for me....at least not their education!  But by the time I was 17, Floyd and the ‘stereotypical scene’ that ....hmm.... goes with their music, as well as many other influences, led me to realize I couldn’t grow-up to be a pencil-pusher behind a plate of glass - or worse a cubicle Wall.  That’s not to mention the socio-political-spiritual perspective that the Floyd helped me achieve.  Wow!!!  Thanks Floyd!!!  Your greater, overall influence saved my life!).  (Well, enough of my silly cult-worshiping blog....old Buddhist saying: “If you see the Buddha on the road, kill him.”  Metaphorically, that more or less means:  hold no-one or thing in such high esteem - the true nature of the Buddha is in YOU - don’t look for it ‘out there’)
As this site developed, particularly the ‘Lost & Found’ section, I realized this could be of use to many more people than me & my friends.

So here it is.


Disk type listing

The notes regarding the type of disk - CD, CDR, Professional CDR, Original Release on CDR, LP - are there for my purposes as well as yours.
Many people get shows via an MP3 copy downloaded on the internet, then convert that file to CDR format.  This causes a loss of information (MP3 encoding), as well as a further distortion in the waveform (converting back and forth).  Maybe you can’t hear it.  Maybe I can’t hear it.  Maybe we can on high-end audio systems.  Either way, it’s there, and I don’t want it, if possible (so I’m a snob.  so what).  The ‘silvers’ and ‘original professional CDRs’ obviously don’t seem to suffer that problem.  I would assume (ass+you+me) that the ‘professional CDRs’ with laminated or silk-screened disks and high quality (not ink-jet) glossy artwork were copied directly from the ‘silvers.’  Then you get into CDR quality issues, especially with older CDRs, burned with pre-2004 units.  They are always skipping or digitally clicking or popping (the newer CDR / DVDR burners can read unbelievably damaged and poorly burned disks, and they burn new copies almost impeccably).  Knowing the source of the copies you may get from me can help you choose to trade with me or another person.

Entries listed as an LP source are recorded to CDR here at my home.  Unbelievably (I would never have guessed or agreed before I heard) the CDR copies of LPs generally sound BETTER than the LPs themselves.  I was using a Marantz  turntable through a Marantz amp into a Harman-Kardon consumer-audio CD burner.  The HK has audiophile Burr-Brown DACs, and seems to have similar ADCs.  Unfortunately I burned out the laser using it to make copies, and now it only plays, so there are still some shows listed that are not yet on CDR.


Trading

Eventually I will accept offers for trades, but not until at least the Spring of 2008.  Possibly - and it seems a long-shot right now - I will offer CDR copies for the cost of blank CDRs +shipping, or perhaps a nominal fee for those underprivileged individuals who’s collection is too small to trade and want quite a bit - but those individuals would have to prove their true interest.  (and if you can buy it in a store, you ain’t gittin’ it from me!)  If you’re one of those who ‘just wants it all because you can’t otherwise get it’ or those who collect any live music from anyone of the bands they like, you will find a hard time convincing me to spend MY valuable time burning something for you that you MIGHT listen to once.  (Roger said it best: “if you don’t like our music, don’t come back.”  As of this writing, I’ve listened exclusively to Pink Floyd every day all day for a month - been away and going through withdrawals!  So, if you don’t worship this music, don’t come back here lookin’ for handouts - this ain’t the Krishna temple.)  GOD how MANY times I’ve heard “oh Pink Floyd!  They’re my favorite band too!”  But they don’t even know who Syd or David or Roger are, let alone the (unfortunately) less known Rick or Nick.  And, no, they’ve never heard of the album More or Obscured By Clouds or Atom Heart Mother or even Meddle.  Go away kid, ya bother me.  (Oh, and buy those albums ya little brat! ;-)
What I will be looking to trade for is radio and TV broadcast interviews, and post Wall shows.  Of course, I'm ALWAYS looking for that 70s show.  1970 specifically.  Anyone seen Fillmore EAST, New York, April 16, 1970?  I'd trade 100 disks for that one show.....


About the page heading ‘Pink Floyd’ Artwork

I designed the basic shape in the 1980’s.  So long ago you have to have the 19- there for clarity.  But the digital image came to life just a few years ago.  It took me a MINIMUM of 1000 hours.  Yes, that is over one continuous month.  And that was just to perfect the black-and-white version (not seen here).  Adding color took several more days.  The digital graphic version was done using Microsoft Paint.  Yes, the most simple software; but that's all I had.  I started by using the ‘spray-paint’ tool for the basic layout.  Then I cut and moved sections to get the proportions correct.  Then I smoothed the lines by adding individual dots under high magnification, going back and forth between magnified and normal, adding dots, looking at it, erasing dots, looking at it, adding dots, etc.  Then I would cut and move sections to touch-up the overall proportions again.  Then I would add and erase dots again.  Then I would adjust proportions again..........
You get the picture.
I've been known as ‘Pink Floyd Joe’ since time began (it began when I opened my eyes to reality. ahem!).  I've been using this logo since 1986.  It was bleached into the back of my jean-jacket in high-school.  I wrote it by hand on all the tapes I gave away in the 1980-'90’s.  Now it goes on the disks I burn, via a sticker or using one of the new inkjet-printers that can handle CDRs. 

This is almost like my coat-of-arms.  For this reason, please do not use it for your trade/give-away stuff. 

This is why the pages are copyrighted.  I seriously doubt the band would ever even NEED more artwork, so I'm betting I’ll never collect royalties from leasing or selling it.  And using their name for my own projects to sell wouldn’t float to well with them, either, I’d wager.  Its just personal to me.



CLICK BELOW TO ENTER

»»»  The Pink Floyd Trading List Homepage  «««



A few notes about distinguishing ‘Silver CDs’ from ‘CDRs.’

Real ‘factory pressed’ or ‘silver’ CDs are just that: silver colored on the bottom.  Some disks are almost silver, but with a grayish tint.  You may have to look in sunlight to see the difference - compare it to a known factory CD (such as The Piper At The Gates Of Dawn).  Real disks have the international catalog number IMprinted into the inner silver ring of the silver foil (as seen from the bottom) laminated between the upper & lower plastic, and this can only be done in the process of manufacturing the disk.  Real CDs are ‘pressed;’ that is, the digital information is physically stamped into the foil as they put the disk together.  Some CDRs may have a number pressed (imprinted) into the inner ring, and other CDRs have a number printed with ink in-to/on-to the inner clear disk hub, but it will not be the catalog number of the music, just of the type & production number of the CDR, and it will not match the number printed on the top of the disk in ink or paint, or the number found on the back and/or spine of the jewelcase artwork.  Please see the Pink Floyd RoIO Archive for info on the catalog numbers for an individual disk.

CDs and CDRs are made by sandwiching a micro-thin layer of foil (usually aluminum, sometimes gold), so thin you can see through it (hold it up to a lamp or sunlight).  If you buy a package of CDRs, sometimes they come with a ‘blank’ clear plastic disk, as thick as a CD, on the top of the spindle.  This is the bottom of a CD or CDR.  The foil is laid over the clear plastic disk, a machine ‘stamps’ either the digitally-encoded music (CD) or blank tracks (CDR) into the foil, then a thin plastic top is laminated over.

Some disks are better quality due to a better lamination process and a thicker top.  I like Mam-A (formerly Mitsui) for a quality CDR.  Some others are so cheap you can scratch the top off with your fingernail.  If the foil is scratched or torn, the information is ruined.  You can protect them with a sticker-type CD label, but most CD players say NOT to put CDs with stickers in them.  I think as long as the sticker is FULLY in contact, no problem, except with ‘slot loading’ CD players like those found in automobile stereos.  The long term problem lies in the fact the stickers all seem to loose their sticky.

By contrast to the CD/CDR top, the bottom of a CD or CDR can be scratched, but a quality CD player can ‘read through’ the scratches to the foil.  You can also polish the bottom of a CD.  Be smart and use a professional quality CD polisher found at a great number of used CD shops - they will usually do it for a small fee.  The other, ‘consumer’ quality ones I found are not so great, and just about ruined a CD of mine.  Not something you want to do to any of the rare titles you might find that are listed on these pages.

The printing on CDRs is often a silkscreen job, and some are a little smeared.  CDs can be silk-screened, also, but the quality is usually superb.  I’ve seen both CDs and CDRs with a high quality laminated full color top (with artwork even! amazing the 21st century!)  The late 1990’s ‘remastered’ editions of Floyd’s CDs are an example.  Many of the CDRs found this way seem to be the ‘Original Releases on CDR.’  Others are just a high quality copy of the original.  BEWARE of individuals selling these high-quality copies.  The CDRs are the ‘almost silver’ grayish ones, but they claim they are factory pressed silvers.  Then again, as long as you realize they are lying to you, they do have the availability and affordable pricing for a fairly decent product.  I feel, though, if I’m going to spend $30 on a CDR, I’ll just wait to find the silver for $50-80.  Long term investment.  CDs are ‘collectable’ (if only I knew someone to pass these on to when I go, cause I’ll never sell them!).  With CDRs, it’s just nice to have the music.  I’ll get a $10-$15 copy with ink-jet, or cheaper with scans, from someone else if I can find it.



My thoughts on amplifiers and speakers:

Simply put, there is nothing like an old Marantz amplifier.  They made quadraphonic ones, also.  They sound so warm and fuzzy, and just seem to bring out the details and harmonics in Pink Floyd’s music like no other I’ve heard.  Use them to power a big set of old Klipsch speakers.  Match that with a smaller set of some good vocal-quality speakers, arranging them all in a surround-sound pattern (but with 2-channel stereo) focusing on the room’s center, and you have it made.  Wait till late, late at night when the ’hood & crib are quiet.  Unplug the fridge to make it quieter.  Place a small candle in a tall narrow glass in the center of the room.  Dig out that old 1970 show, and say your prayers to the patron saints Albert Hoffman and Tim Leary.  Put the volume on as LOW as it will go, while still driving the speakers’ full spectrum (about 0.7 with a Marantz, or 1.0 with a Sony ES Series, on a scale of 1.0-low to 10.0-high).  Sit still near the room center.  You will feel the floor move with Roger’s bass, at well below 20 hertz.  The candle will flicker with the music, especially the bass.  Turn up the volume, and the big Klipsch can no longer drive this low, and these old recordings become muddy.
Marantz was sold in the early 1980s to the corporate world.  They were no longer the same.  Klipsch, I believe, did the same thing in the late 1990s or early 2000s.  From what I heard, the new Klipsch line with the copper/gold cones are excellent.  They also sell a lower quality line to big-box discount stores, that are just that, audibly speaking.
Home theater really destroyed the audio market.  Amplifiers now SUCK, unless you want to pay well over $1000.  Speakers are worse.  Infinity made really, really good bookshelf speakers back in the day.  Now, they just sound flat and lifeless, with no vocals or crispy high-end, and funky hollow-sounding bass.
For example, the experience I had that introduced this all to me: While working at a restaurant, the 1970s K-Mart amp (with 8-track even!) that had been donated finally kicked the bucket.  The manager got a Marantz at a local pawn shop.  He was so excited (and it was only $40!).  The Infinity Bookshelfs that were mounted on the wall suddenly made the salt-shakers dance on the tables.  When the power button went a year later the owner got a brand-new Yamaha.  The shakers became quiet again.  I got the Marantz and had it fixed.  Rated at 30 watts, it makes the floor shake on the OTHER side of the house, at 50% volume, with medium-sized speakers.  My 200-watt Kenwood amp can barely shake the floors in the room with the speakers at 75%.   My 220-watt Sony ES Series amp can shake the floors quite well driving a big set of Klipsch KG 4.2s.  But with my Marantz 4400 amp, rated at 125 watts, you can feel the bass outside on the driveway.  SO....
The Marantz 4400 does just that, the Marantz 2230 drives the old Harman-Kardon Twentys (best stand alone speaker under $1000 each I've ever heard - too bad they don't make ’em like they used to!), and the Sony ES Series drives the Infinity Bookshelfs.  Each one has a slightly different tone and frequency response, but together they cover it all.  This really helps me to hear the difference in some of these old recordings when I have two different copies of the same thing.
(it should be noted here that any Sony amp that is not in the ES Series - their high-end audiophile line - is as much junk as the Kenwood or Yamaha mentioned above)
I went looking for new speakers in 2006.  All I could find sounded terrible for music; it's all home theater now and audiophile quality is no longer the big-dollah trend - surround 5.1, 6.1, and 7.1 with a big screen is.  Then I found a pair of B&W Nautilus Bookshelf speakers.  WOW!!!  Now that’s a speaker!  And at about $2500 a pair, I should have them around the dawn of the ‘new world’ at the end of the Mayan calendar, December 21, 2012.  If I start saving now.  Or sell my car.
Or the unthinkable: stop spending every extra dime on Pink Floyd boots!
You can find the Marantz amplifiers and the Klipsch speakers on eBay (where else!)  I've yet to see the HK Twentys or the Infinity Bookshelfs there.  For more information on selecting the units best suited for you, see the following websites:


Marantz's Legendary Audio Classics - The Collector's Pages
Klipsch Audio Technologies
Note while the Marantz site is very easy to use, the Klipsch site takes some navigation...



All images and text on this page Copyright © 1986, 2007 by the webpage owner.